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9:26now enough of all of that self-aggrandizing nonsense, we're going to get back to why you all tune into the show, which is our story, our only story of the day, a little brief rundown of this idea that the Amazon was never empty. And I'm going to open with this question. How many people lived in the Amazon before 1492? And how would we even know if the evidence is buried under the vast rainforest that so many of us see on our social feeds as planes fly over? >> Mhm. Yeah, it's a it's a it's a very strange question. For the longest time
10:08people thought there was no one in the Amazon before Christopher Columbus came to the New World. And um surprise surprise, of course that is not true. Okay? Um there's a new paper out in nature that was submitted um in April 2025, accepted in June. >> July. >> Sorry, yeah, July. Um and it's actually showing that there the Amazon is way more populated than we could have ever imagined. Surprise surprise. >> Yes. Shocked. I'm shocked. This is my shocked face. >> Yeah, it's it's and getting into sort of the historical tendency of why we think the Amazon was
10:50just desolate and now we're sort of correcting our views, it's a very interesting story. So, we'll start with Gaspar de Carvajal, okay? He's a Spanish explorer and he explored the Amazon