Why an offside player can still create threat

23:14that and because of what Aaron said that you have all this context with the tracking data of creating space and the moving players then all these things come to to life and all the things come to let's say resurface and so I think that there was a lot of situations in that sense and also in the other sense I would say that it took some tweaking in order to see okay so the this moment was considered let's say more threatening that what the metric actually was what was happening. So again having the discussions and trying to incorporate okay what do you see footballistically here and how can I transform that into a mathematical model

23:55that basically reflects the perception. So so >> and I think one of the other one of the other things that I think we both found was quite cool was uh actually identifying the value of being offside, right? That was a huge discussion. So, you know, you're holding a position offside. Well, technically you receive the ball and you are not threatening in that moment. But actually holding your position offside for a certain amount of period of time does hold some weight to the value of threat because again this this how smart players are in terms of using the offside to then create space for themselves to then come on side receive the ball and then all of a sudden the threat goes up. So, you know,

24:36taking some of those things into consideration was, you know, was a huge thing to understand and overcome and, you know, discuss that with football experts in terms of, you know, what what they're coaching their players when they're talking about how do they use the offside. So, there's there's so many fascinating things that just understanding space and and valuing space was uh and movement was was just fascinating in itself. And I think we've seen even in the discussions around the games, even as we've gotten deeper um into the knockout stages, these discussions from, you know, football fans when it passes the eye test, when you see what looks like

25:17and feels like to be, oh, the shifts in the game and the teams that are able to identify spaces in ways that you sometimes be at home or like how did you know X see Y in this fashion or in this way? Um and and it it's just it's really fascinating to hear you discuss what is really a blend of sort of the art of football, right, and the science of data and finding a middle ground between those two. Uh because it is, you know, um there's such a long storyried history, right, in this sport. Um and there sort of are es and flows and changes tactically. you know, you could, you know, [clears throat] there's eras

25:57where the way in which the game is played changes. And I think it we're sort of in a very fascinating era right now for the rise of so many of these different um analytics such as match momentum. I mean, just looking at it as an observer on TV at home, for example, the momentum like it passes the eye test when we look at it from home, right? and and and so there's clearly the validation process and the work that you guys have done has gotten to a place where folks who have been, you know, football watchers of any league, you know, for some period of time can kind of intuitively see that there's this this feels has this feeling that's that's correct. I will I will ask just a

26:38few more questions here. In that same vein, um there are aspects of the game, you know, that are new that it I would