Achievement vs. character

1:28:28one of the worst That's I mean it it there was such a great opportunity to actually uplift Rosalind in that context >> like and and have this like the UK is better than you like you could have had a whole >> like narrative and story around >> there could have been so many other ways to go about >> right and not and handling that situation >> and what's interesting when we were growing up and we heard the story about Watson and Crick none of this stuff was really kind of like >> no dude I read I read the double helix Like I read this this version, right? And it's it just shows that he's like this brilliant guy. Everyone else around him is dumb. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And like you take it at face value. >> Yeah. >> Which is why if you're going to uh do

1:29:11anything, make sure you write your own biography. Autobiography. Because the world will make the story up of your life. You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain. >> Yeah. Watson lived long enough to see himself become the villain because >> but it's out of his own making, >> right? >> He didn't have to say any of these things. He could have just been a quiet old man. The thing is he didn't have to say anything. >> No, none of this. [laughter] >> This this was so cool though because like again this I know we kind of talk about it. If you've reached this part of the episode in in the comments, I want you to put

1:29:53Watson is not the guy. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's a good one. >> Watson is not the guy. If that's how we'll know that people like really enjoyed this journey. I really enjoyed this journey. Yeah. >> It's it's it's cuz DNA is one of these things that again we learn about in school. We talk about it's Watson and Crick and it's like that's the only part of it. understanding this like Caendish versus Kings >> versus Caltech >> versus Caltech sort of like energy uh the the starts and stops the actual fundamental science that led to the like how do we know >> Yeah. >> How do we inter like how did we get there? It was a triple helix at first. Crazy. Obviously dumb.

1:30:34>> Yeah. Now now we're thinking about it's like [laughter] triple helix idiot. Like oh But like but like at but like really and why like from an image from a 2D image of of X-ray crystalallography of like what the double X-ray being able to then extrapolate to the structure. >> Yeah. >> And shout out to Donahghue who no one never talks about. >> No. >> But is kind of like the last >> the last little peg. Yeah. Peg in the in the in the structure to like get to the point of of insight. Um, I think one of the most important things that I know as someone who works in tech startups and has been building teams for a long time

1:31:15is it's never about any individual. It it is always a team effort. Whether that's one person gives 98% and another person gives 2% or 50/50 or there's a 100 people or there's a thousand people you we are not sufficiently all knowing as an individuals. >> Yeah. >> And it requires collaboration. >> Yeah. >> It requires teamwork >> and and just dogged uh commitment and unwillingness to give up. >> Yeah. to get to like these places like this is such a cool >> it's such a cool story. It's such a cool story and because of the and again

1:31:56science >> and these characters are so it's like Game of Thronesy >> you know >> it is all science is a human story >> and we've talked about this before in a pod where it's like even when you do a research paper >> you're creating a narrative because raw data does not have a through line no >> that is is digestible >> uh without >> framing and reference and context. Um, an unbelievable story. Unfortunately, James Watson, again, as we mentioned at the beginning of the story, has recently passed away at age 97. >> Clearly, karma does not exist. Um, >> yeah, >> because, you know, that's a whole thing. >> Yeah, he lived till 97. Rosen Franklin

1:32:36only lived till 38. >> 38. It's like, how do you how does that how does that work? However, um, one of one of our best deep dives. Yeah, I I really enjoyed >> doing the research for this. >> This was this was a good one. Um, we're in December now. It's the holidays. >> As we get to the last episodes of season 1, which will round us out for 2025, we are likely to do some probably best of episodes, maybe we'll do a little bit of a twist. Had this idea of analyzing and breaking down the science of movies and TV famous scenes. We all know >> when Dr. Ian Malcolm talks about chaos

1:33:18theory. >> Yeah. >> And the amphibian DNA and you can just take some frog and mix it with some so the amber or we're not going to do interstellar. Everyone's already done that. But we're going to try to do some concepts as we get into the holidays and gets a little bit difficult for us to