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37:18cuz it sort of targets iOS 18. >> 18, okay. Karuna's for the older iOS 13 to 17 which is much much fewer phones especially for high-value targets. It's less likely that they're going to be on these older versions. Um so it it What does it allow the hacker to you it can get your messages, it can get your browsing data, it can get your location history, and uh crypto-related information once the device has been compromised. >> Wow. And so you know, it's it's not I the idea here is it's less about your iPhone is remote-able now not only because most of us aren't doing anything that's actually worth the effort to get it on there cuz you still have to install it and so a lot of times

37:59the way you get is when you get a website where it says, "Oh, you have something wrong. Click here to download a fix." So you still need to get it onto the device. But once it's onto the device it can then remotely execute a whole bunch of stuff. Um so like links and attachments in emails can be a point of a vector for attack, attachments in iMessage, etc. etc. So it is not ideal, but I think the bigger um point here is it's similar to the drone issue that we've seen in in warfare in the Middle East, where the cost uh is getting so low >> Yeah, yeah, I see. for things that used to be reserved for much more sophisticated shops.

38:39>> Yeah, yeah. And it's not only happening in like on on the battlefield, it's now also happening in the information war space, where now you're getting sort of what used to be a nation-state only capability. Any Tom, Dick, or Harry can kind of get it off the shelf now. Yeah. Again, it is more of a signal about the larger things to come as more of these tools again, if Anthropic can't keep their model under wraps, if iPhone is still having exploits that are now getting to the public, it's a constant battlefield. So, trying to do a little bit of separation between what is real versus what is hype. But I I do think there is This is a space to watch as spyware generally becomes more generally

39:20accessible on top of the fact that now there's all these coding assistants and coding agents. So, some high school kid who's clever, usually the best stuff comes from high school and early college kids. >> Right. You know, uh we've seen this cycle of ransomware with hospitals, where they lock down hospital system software until you pay in crypto. I don't think this is going away, and I've been surprised at at how little has spilled into the public in all these proxy wars in terms of the information war component, but this leak I think is a signal that we're going to see more of this in the coming years. Yeah, that's that's pretty scary. I mean, people when they talk about, you know, leaks and like getting through

40:01cryptography, I think there's a lot of hype around, oh, quantum computing is going to, you know, change the game. And that's certainly true. Like, if it works and we do have a fault-tolerant, scalable quantum computer, it is going to break encryption, right? That's kind of an inevitability, but even before then, there's all these like cheap tricks >> Yes. that probably we should be concerned about. >> Yes, make sure your admin password on any critical infrastructure software you guys have is not password or 0000. Um, so again, just two leak stories this week. Um, I I you know, I think these there's get these are all getting a lot of attention

40:43and the coverage is not quite perfect. >> Well, I I'm glad you covered it cuz I learned a lot there. Nice. >> So, we're going to move into Project Hail Mary. Yes. Our our last note of the day in this rundown episode. You you had seen it first. >> I saw it first and then I told you to see it. >> Told me to go see it. I was hyped about it cuz I love every space movie, all the early Rotten Tomatoes stuff, etc. was was hot. >> Was hot, yeah. >> Mhm. So, what did you think?