Predator competition & seasonal patterns

25:58>> or they're both Yeah. They're both apex predators, right? the the the juvenile sharks and the orcas, but >> because they're competing, one could argue that like they're just trying to take out >> the other guy who's trying to compete for the same paying for the same food supply. So like if you're eating my food, like you're you're now my enemy. >> Yeah. And these these orcas only go after juvenile white sharks. >> I mean, I was actually going to ask that because like clearly they're like going after the little ones. >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] Cuz the older ones when they see an orca, they just get the hell out of >> They're like, "I'm out." Yeah. cuz they I guess they know they they've got some learning capability and they don't return. We've seen white sharks see an orca and then they don't return for like 2 or 3 years. >> Oh, they wow. >> They'll just leave. I'm good.

26:39>> And they're like, "Oh, so that's a bad neighborhood. >> I'm not going to spin the block here. I >> I'll find I'll find my seals elsewhere." [laughter] >> That's actually really interesting. >> Yeah. And so now I mean there there's reports in South Africa where the the original report happened. the seal population there has gone a little bit out of control because there's the the great white sharks just like avoid that area >> because the orcas have kind of >> Yeah. And the orcas, you know, they swim around all over the ocean, right? >> And so there's not a constant supply of predatory pressure, >> if that makes sense. >> And the seals have have have kind of exploded. >> Yeah. Which is which is crazy to think about. And the the the reason why I was talking about this being something that

27:20reminded me of culture >> is because it reminded me of a study that came out like a long time ago. There used to be so culture is something that we know animals do. What does culture mean? culture means that you've got effectively