The discussion explains why Black Marble's nighttime-light data needs very high accuracy in places with little electricity, since the signals being measured there are faint to begin with. The speaker describes how the World Bank used Black Marble to assess an electrification investment in Cote d'Ivoire, comparing before-and-after brightness to judge whether the program worked, and argues that sustained, trustworthy satellite data lets governments and agencies target disaster response and infrastructure investment toward the regions that need it most.
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The speaker cites a figure of roughly 10% of the global population still lacking electricity access.
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NASA's role is compared to its involvement in GPS, where multiple federal agencies maintain shared infrastructure for positioning, timing, and related measurements.
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The speaker frames data integrity as requiring an institutional team and 'muscle memory,' not something one person can calibrate and then hand off.
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36:52>> Why does that mean to me? Well, if you care about electrifying Africa where the light night time signal is three times smaller than the moon contaminated signal, that's 10% of the human population right there. So from a sustainability planning point of view, if you think about 2100 demographically, Africa is going to be a large large contingent of human population. So if you want to measure those trends and how that's going to impact global economies at scale, you need to look at the darkest place in the world that are developing right now. >> Yeah. And that 10%. So you're saying because Africa, I'm guessing, is like
37:33near the equator. Moon contamination is worse. Is that the idea? >> Africa is still the last mile in terms of energy. I'm saying that Africa is still in there are countries that are still not electrified. >> Right. Okay. And so to like 10% of the global population still has no electricity. >> Oh, okay. So I'm >> I'm so you want to detect those regions, >> your data has to be of high integrity because those are very low signals. >> Mhm. And so that's why NASA expends so much effort in validating these results and understanding where's the threshold at which you can make science because if you start if if the World Bank is going
38:13to go to Africa and electrify Kotiva >> which they have they can then use black marble to assess the effectiveness of those electrification programs over years and say we made an investment of $200 million. We use black marble and now we're going to look and it still looks dark. We got a problem. >> Right. >> Right. Oh, it looks bright. Great. Can And then they begin to do assessments against okay, why did it work in this city and why it didn't work? And so you can start making really good decisions about the future investments of countries that are very, you know, that don't have access to resource. >> We can do that too as a federal government. If I can tell you where are
38:56the places that are most frequently hit by disasters that are constantly observing volatility, you can concentrate support, expertise, capital in those regions. That's that's what Earth observations offer you. It we don't make the decisions, but we're giving you a very strong information by which you can make decisions to help everyone. >> Yeah. And if the data can be trusted, then >> that's the big if. >> Yeah, >> that's the big if. Because that requires a lot of expertise and institutional muscle memory. You can't just calibrate an instrument like this and back fill it with somebody else. You need you need a team
39:39of people that does that. That's where NASA steps in because we made a commitment that data systems, data integrity is a capability that must be sustained for our nation. Just in the same way the US government has a vested interest in the GPS network. Like >> why? Because we cared you couldn't find this place if it weren't for GPS. It takes a lot of space hardware to run the GPS network and many different federal agencies own the capabilities around position navigation and timing you know about understanding you know
40:19and you know understanding changes in the atmosphere and how that impacts radioultation signals like everyone is involved in this. Black Mambbo does nighttime lies, but we are not the only agency involved in asking energy related questions or disaster related questions, you know. So, but we've been given the the distinct privilege to ask the weird questions. >> Yeah. >> The think differently about these questions. And I think that's really the proudest thing about winning this award that there were folks at NASA that believed in us even though our crazy at the time.
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