AI capability, risk, and the hype cycle

1:19:03>> you know, this is a very controversial topic. People are have a very emotional reaction to AI right now for a lot of >> legitimate reasons and some of it is because of other other larger macro problems and then AI becomes the manifestation that they connect to these other large macro problems. I think part of what we are trying to do on the show is not make a moral argument one way or another about whether AI is good or not. No. But just >> it is important to understand what these things are doing at the edge at the frontier. Um >> and what the implications can then mean from that because as we were just

1:19:44talking about I mean this is these are becoming powerful systems. >> Yeah. And I think underestimating their capability uh is um not wise just because you might not I might not you might not find everyday value in my life where I'm doing emails and other random nonsense uh does not mean that these tools will not have a potential lasting and grave and large or beneficial impact at these in these larger either uh in subject matters and areas institutionally.

1:20:25Um, I just think this is a very complex and nuanced issue and there are a lot of people who have a lot of money at stake that are pushing what people should believe one way or another about these things. >> That's all true, but if you just look at what it's >> look at what it doing, not what everyone's saying about what it's doing. >> Um, and it's it's I don't know how to feel about it. >> Yeah. I mean I I don't know how to feel about saying believe in yourself and it like actually does [laughter] right then I mean the questions of AI safety are are very active in my mind when I think about this kind of stuff right if the if

1:21:06the if a model is capable of orchestrating like this um and its goal is not something as benign as try to get further on the remon hypothesis suppose the the goal is much more sinister look at what it is capable love and look at what it can do in terms of insubordination to itself, right? To the human person. In this case, it was good because we got further on a math problem. But like you you we need to we need to like have these conversations at the highest level of our society. And unfortunately, we're not we're only having it at like a pretty low level of society. And that's only like we're having these conversations on podcasts

1:21:46and YouTube videos and not on Capitol Hill for example, >> which as we all know it's complicated. The social dynamics and the socioeconomic and political world we live in right now are are very tense understandably and there's this sort of top-down political warfare going on because of the concentration of wealth and power >> and you know that is the lens through which so many things are then viewed through um and because AI is a is owned and operated by that class that has that wealth and power who are continuing to

1:22:27try to acrue more of it. It becomes difficult for the everyday person to uh really care engage uh want it to be continuing uh when you know the rent is too damn high as that one guy would say. So very complex stuff. Thank you for walking through this because I now have a much better understanding yeah of why it's important. Uh for those of you who enjoyed uh we're going to be keeping an eye on this. It's hard to avoid the AI subject. We do try to focus on the underlying scientific topics that uh are talked about and give you a better lens into this. But we are going to move into

1:23:09a brief moment of me shilling the pod before we get into a last bit of fun here. Um so for those of you who are