Why physics does not rule it out

30:18right? >> So, what this perspective paper is doing is saying, you know, there's actually no physical law theoretically that is preventing room temperature superconductivity. No one's come out with a like this is impossible paper, right? So, it's definitely there. And supercon- conductivity superconductivity has been observed in so many different materials in so many different conditions, and it's almost like a generic property of materials at some point. If you if you lower the temperature down, if you increase the pressure enough, things are going to become superconducting. So, the idea is we want to be able to now gear our research towards creating something

30:58as a community. Yeah. Right? Rather than just going off in all these different tangents, trying to do our own thing, let's like have like a sort of human genome project style moment. >> Yeah, okay. >> Right? Where all of these different researchers from around the world sort of get together, we plan out how are we going to get there. Yes. Right? And the first task is always to improve computer-aided models. So, not just like predict random stuff that we can't cook, but maybe things that we can. Things where the recipe actually makes sense. We've got the tools to do it, and it's there's a light at the end of the tunnel. In in software, there is this phrase or this rallying cry of it's time to build.

31:40Yeah. It sounds like in the super conduct conductor community, the rally cry is it's time to cook. Exactly. Yeah. It's time to cook. >> Exactly. And and and the other thing that they really highlight in the strategy paper is that AI is here. Yeah. And we need to now start leveraging that in the way that AlphaFold kind of leveraged AI to solve protein folding, which for the longest time it was like, oh, this is an impossible problem, right? There's two to the 300 different configurations. There's more atoms in the universe than they are There's more atoms in the universe than there are structures that a protein can take, and so it's an impossible problem. Well, AlphaFold is pretty good at like 90% of

32:22proteins now, right? So, we need to start leveraging these technologies to our advantage. >> Right. Right. And this dovetails with I mean, it's we don't look to always cover AI in our stories on the pod. >> No. It is just a factual reality Yeah. that so many labs and researchers, especially things that are breaking through, happen to have a companion AI component. >> Mhm. And it's just kind of the way that it is. >> Yeah, yeah. Um especially for use cases where it's like protein folding or the where you just want something that can go through a like almost a like there's a brute force >> Mhm. kind of pathway where it's just

33:04like throw compute at it, you'll be able to get down to a more narrow band of options >> Mhm. than we otherwise would be able to without being able to just throw compute with you at the problem set. >> Yeah. Um and that's kind of like a very level one implementation, and there's also level two, three, four, and five. >> But superconductors are going to totally change the face of humanity on this planet if we can get to a way to build them in a way that's uh scalable uh in terms of from a from a manufacturing >> capacity perspective. >> We had we had this whole hype cycle with LK-99 where everyone was doing the think pieces of what is this going to mean for everything? >> That one, can I just say I I looked at

33:44that archive paper and I was like there's no way. Like we can we we should do like a joke episode on it sometime of just like how to recognize nonsense. How to sniff the BS. Uh a bunch of four again really fun papers today. You can kind of see how the difference between our deep dive episodes where we really break down the fundamentals, so it's not just sometimes in the rundowns you can feel like, well, this is just what they're saying. This is why we have the deep dives to make sure we can understand the real fundamentals that build up the knowledge base to be able to have confidence in making these conclusions from these studies. So we touched on the 3D

34:25scanning for ants, incredible use of a particle accelerator for 3D model generation. I mean, I might want to use that for my 3D gaming stuff. How how how how unnecessary it is to use a particle accelerator to do like 3D video game Yeah, we have a mini particle accelerator in the back. It's helping us model this. We follow that up with growing chickpeas on the moon. If you could go to the moon Mhm. and know you're coming back and it's fine and it's safe for you to go. >> like as safe as um air travel. As safe as air travel? And you don't have to pay. Yeah, I'd probably do it. >> Yeah, if it's as safe as air travel, yes, I think I would do it. I would I would go. I'll be honest. Dude, the Earth is going to be the size of the moon. I'm so excited. You know, imagine

35:06looking at the Earth and it's just like, oh, I can like cover it up with my thumb. Hey Jeff, if you want to do another launch, but instead of another identity-based cohort, you want to do people of color where we are very much >> I'll I'll be your token, you know, whatever for the marketing, we'll go. But like there needs to be like 100 launches before because I need I need to make sure We'll start with orbit. We'll just We'll just do a little little small orbit. We're We're being a little facetious. although he is a Princetonian, so that's part of the connection. We hit the cosmic anomalies. I love these uh telescopes, both ground-based and space-based, and the whole ecosystem around them. It's always fascinating. The data continues to give us value and

35:46room temperature superconductivity. Which I I was going to ask you a question about Can you explain resistance? But that's that's for a deep dive episode. So, if you want to know more about superconductors, let us know in the comments cuz I want to know more. Yeah. I'm sure we can do a deep dive on the history of superconductivity. It's a fascinating tale. Uh BCS theory is what it's called from the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign. Very proud of their work there. Um they have a little plaque in the physics department. Like this is where BCS theory was. I thought you were talking about college football for a second, but you were not talking about the old BCS bowl or whatever it is. I clearly don't watch college football. >> No, I am your host

36:26Lester and I joined as by my co-host and our resident PhD Krishna Chaudhary. As you can tell we are having a fun time on this pod. We really appreciate you. We will see you all next week.