The fight over research funding

20:27but now you know we're going to get into the current fight. But before we do, I do want to give a lot of credit here to many of the science policy journalists who have been doggedly covering this story uh closely, particularly uh Jeffrey Mvvis, Jocelyn Kaiser, Lauren Martin Aguello, Michael Gresko, and David Malikov at both science and um this is sort of in the weeds and they've taken a very complex bureaucratic funding and policy process and have tried to make it connect to the actual science and impact that has has for people. And this is really again a great source for us as we try to begin

21:08to now incorporate science funding policy into our discussions because we would not be able to again have a show >> without this. So now we get to the current fight and it's always over who has the power to decide.